Interview: Kelly Sue DeConnick
Just who is Kelly Sue DeConnick?
She writes comics! Great ones! Like Sif and Rescue one-shots, or her Osborn: Evil Incarcerated miniseries! This week brings the end of her three-issue arc on Supergirl, and on September 28th Castle: Richard Storm’s Deadly Storm, based on the wonderful TV series Castle and co-written by Brian Michael Bendis with art by Lan Medina, will be released. Order it now!
Besides writing comics, she used to translate manga into English! All of a sudden, I have the urge to read over a dozen volumes of a basketball manga series!
She’s married! To fellow comics writer Matt Fraction! They have two children!
Back in July, she raised a metric poopload of money for an awesome cause: Women for Women International’s programs in the Congo!
But enough exclamation points, it’s time for QUESTIONS.
01. SUMMER READING LISTS
C!TB: What are your favourite things you’re reading these days? It can be anything – books, comics, magazines, etc.
Kelly Sue: Nonfiction-wise, I’m reading Mercury 13 and Promised the Moon, both about the women of the early astronaut program. Excellent, excellent, heartbreaking story. Mercury 13 is particularly well-written.
And I just got an Amazon gift card that I think I’m going to use for the kindle edition of Mind in the Making – a book my son’s school recommends.
Comics-wise, I’m reading Guggenheim and Chaykin’s Blade run—loving the structure. I think I was six issues or so in before I saw the big picture. Disciplined crafting—and holy shit, the covers! What else? Making my way through the Dr. Strange essentials in preparation for Fraction’s Defenders…which, by the by, is going to blow the top of your head clean off. Let’s see… right here on my desk today is Jen Van Meter’s Cinnamon: El Ciclo—a title I would not even know about had John Siuntres not mentioned it during our last Wordballoon interview. I’m hoping to start that today.
I just picked up some American Vampire and Batman Detective because I’ve heard really good things about Scott Snyder. Really looking forward to those.
What else have I got laying about here… Jon Hickman’s Red Wing (which didn’t really hook me until the last page of the first issue, but once he got me, he got me good), Emma Rios & Nick Spencer’s Cloak & Dagger—which is PAINFUL for me to read, because I’m so crazy about Emma and I seethe with jealousy that she’s working with Nick… who I’m sure is lovely, but I kind of want to get hit by a bus, in the way that you wish horrible fates on your girlfriend’s new boyfriends. Lucky for Nick, John Boehner and my own karma, I don’t happen to be psychokinetic, so I can give in to my baser instincts a little without actually risking anyone’s neck.
I wish I was reading a novel right now, but I haven’t had time. I have an ARC of Maria Dahvana Headley’s Queen of Kings by my bed that I haven’t gotten to read yet and the book is already out! What fun is an ARC if the book is out, I ask you??
Every once in a while I stroke it lovingly.
C!TB: I totally understand the ARC thing; I got an ARC of Alice Bradley & Eden Kennedy’s humour book Let’s Panic About Babies!: How to Endure and Possibly Triumph Over the Adorable Tyrant Who Will Ruin Your Body, Destroy Your Life, Liquefy Your Brain, and Finally Turn You into a Worthwhile Human Being and so far it just sits on the shelf (on top of a Saved By the Bell comic Brandon found me). It taunts me, though every time I have a chance to pick it up, it sends me into fits of laughter. I absolutely recommend it, even if that’s just adding to your pile.
Kelly Sue: I love the title! Have you read Happiest Baby on the Block? I highly recommend that one if you’ve got an infant. Though, honestly, you can just rent the DVD and get all the fundamentals.
C!TB: Neither of us at C!TB have children – I follow Alice Bradley’s writing, which is how I found her book – but I’m sure some of our readers are or will be soon, so I’m happy to pass it along! Recently, I’ve been digging into A Game of Thrones on friends’ recommendations. Have you checked out Grant Morrison’s Supergods yet? I keep it on my desk at home to spur me to read faster so I can get to it. The blurbs and excerpts I’ve read so far definitely make it sound like it’s a must-read for anyone who wants to talk about superhero comics ever again.
Kelly Sue: I haven’t read Supergods. My favorite excerpt I’ve run across is the one about how a “prolific and popular comics writer could make the same amount [$20,000] in a week.”
Bless his heart, Mr. Morrison lives in a very different universe from ANYONE else I know… Except maybe Neil Gaiman. Who could absolutely bring in that sum in a week, but wouldn’t do it writing comics.
02. SUPERHEROES, BRIEFLY
C!TB: Your take on Norman Osborn was one that we don’t see as often as we do his more supervillainous side. How did you approach the character?
Kelly Sue: Carefully and from behind…?
Sorry. That was awful.
Um… hm. I’m not sure I know how to answer that question. I guess I thought I was writing the same Osborn that Bendis wrote, the same Osborn that Ellis wrote in Thunderbolts…? That was my intention anyway. If it didn’t work, I don’t want to know.
C!TB: Oh, it absolutely worked. The Osborn you wrote is definitely identifiable as the same Osborn that Bendis and Ellis wrote. I don’t know if it was your dialogue, the setting (no superheroes), Emma’s genius art, or a combination thereof, though, but this was the first incarnation of the character that absolutely truly scared me. And kudos for that!
Kelly Sue: Aw, thanks man. That warms my heart…which makes me a weirdo, I think. But still.
C!TB: From Osborn, you went to something quite tonally different with Supergirl, which is so lovingly indebted to 80s teen movies. What would “Kelly Sue’s Must Watch 80s Teen Movie Extravaganza” consist of?
Kelly Sue: Ohhhh, hm. Probably the same movies as everyone else, but let’s go… Off the top of my head, in no particular order, some of which are not really teen movies…
- The Last Starfighter
- Real Genius
- Night of the Comet
- Who’s that Girl?
- Pretty in Pink
- The Lost Boys
- Some Kind of Wonderful
- Adventures in Babysitting
- The Hidden
- The Princess Bride
C!TB: I’m especially glad to see The Princess Bride on there! It’s definitely one of my favourite movies, which makes it even more maddening that my office hires an intern every year and I’m just going into a third year sharing an office with a university student who either doesn’t it like or hasn’t seen it. One didn’t even know who Peter Falk and Columbo were!
Kelly Sue: WHAT?!
Have you seen Wings of Desire? (Most pretentious thing I’ve said today, btw. Course it’s only 11:40 am here, so there’s still time.)
C!TB: I haven’t seen Wings of Desire yet, but seeing as how I have seen the Goo Goo Dolls’ video for “Iris,” which was on the soundtrack for the English-language adaptation City of Angels, I feel like I’ve seen the original already.
Kelly Sue: I… I… I…
C!TB: Now that I’ve given you a minor stroke, I’ll alleviate your worries of being pretentious by giving an even worse example: in university, I wrote not one but two papers about Disney fairy tale movies, including one where I compared the narrative structure of Aladdin to that of the original story in The Thousand and One Nights, complete with some Michel Foucault and Northrop Frye literary theory. I also wrote on noir cinematography and detective pulp conceits, but that was just fun. Ah, the life of a liberal arts student. I’ll have to check out the few on your list that I haven’t seen.
Kelly Sue: So jealous. I went the fine arts route. (I did audit a class on the cultural construction of the vampire, taught by a guy named Gudni, who was white as snow and wore black turtlenecks every day… in Texas.) Which ones haven’t you seen?
C!TB: On your list, I think I’ve seen everything except Night of the Comet, Some Kind of Wonderful and The Hidden.
Kelly Sue: Man, I hope The Hidden holds up. Here’s the opening car chase.
C!TB: Some of the others like Who’s That Girl? are far back in my metaphorical rear view mirror, but I remember seeing them way back in the mists of time. Growing up in the 90s, however, has gifted me with a deep and abiding love for any kind of teen comedy from that era, from Empire Records to Can’t Hardly Wait (common thread? Ethan Embry) with 10 Things I Hate About You making it just before the decade’s clock rolled over.
Kelly Sue: I had to look Embry up on IMDB. (Sorry.) You know he was on a TV series called Fear Itself?
C!TB: I didn’t! Considering my deep and abiding love of both Embry and Marvel’s blockbuster summer event, I’m calling that kismet.
Back to Supergirl, how much did the recent authors’ storylines for the series impact how you pitched your arc?
Kelly Sue: A good bit, I guess. I was mostly trying to find a way to stay true to the established character and at the same time distinguish myself from what had already been done.
03. CASTLES IN THE SKY
C!TB: You’ve mentioned that Brian Bendis wrote the first 30 pages of the Castle/Derrick Storm OGN and you did the scripting for the rest of the book from Brian’s plan. How much freedom did you have in the parts of the book you scripted? What was (or still is) the back-and-forth and editing process of that like?
Kelly Sue: Brian was really great and gave me tons of freedom. Maybe he’ll regret it when the book comes out, but for the most part, he read my pages as I turned them in and okay’d them.
C!TB: Does one of you “lead” the art review process or is it a team effort?
Kelly Sue: Because of some scheduling hijinks, I didn’t actually see pages as they came in–I’m not sure if Brian did either. Long story, but that was handled on this book by our fabulous and capable editors.
C!TB: Is it different at all writing a favourite comic book property than it is a TV property? What are other dream properties – TV, comics or other – you’d like to tackle some day?
Kelly Sue: Modesty Blaise. But that’s the dream of me and half the universe. The half that doesn’t want to write James Bond, I think.
And I’m not sure it was any different, honestly. I guess… I had an actor solidly in my head, but… I’m not sure that made a real difference in the writing process.
The only thing that was really any different for me process-wise between, say, Castle and Osborn, was that I was trying to be an active student of Brian’s for Castle. So, like, there’s a two page spread where I’m clearly aping his style. And I am not as comfortable with internal monologue caption boxes as Brian is, so I had to consciously choose to use them so it didn’t seem like Storm’s inner voice suddenly went must after page 30.
C!TB: Did you learn anything specifically from being a student of Brian’s?
Kelly Sue: He is a master of the double-page spread and I am a chicken shit. Does that qualify as a lesson?
C!TB: Of course! Looking at other writers’ work and being ashamed of your own is simply a fact of life, or at least I’m telling myself that to save my own ego. It’s like that Ira Glass quote that’s going around these days about how persistence and art consumption/taste are basically the only ways you become any good.
Kelly Sue: Is the Ira Glass thing going around? Is there, like, a recording or a written piece? [Ed Note: Yes, there is] I had coffee with Wil Wheaton on Monday and he told me about it (Can we just stop here for a moment and acknowledge what a name-dropper I am? Yeah… I had coffee with my buddy Wil on Monday… If the Wings of Desire bit didn’t make you hate me, that ought to do it.) — I don’t remember how we got to it. Something about… I dunno… beginner’s mind, maybe? I think we were talking about strengths and weaknesses in our own work and the patience and perspective it takes to just trust that you’ll improve and… not be content with with where you are exactly, but not to waste too much energy lamenting it. I guess being content with where you are in your evolution isn’t such a bad way of phrasing it.
Anyway, I was saying that I’d written more than ten thousand pages of manga adaptation dialogue before I got my first American comics gig. So I’m pretty confident in my ability to craft dialogue. I’ve put ten thousand pages in that pit, you know? And then I think Wil told me about Ira Glass and “the gap,” which is, I gather, the same idea, only less ham-fisted in its articulation.
I should google it, huh?
My pacing and plotting gaps still hunger for pages, I’m afraid.
C!TB: Care to tell the Derrick Storm actor you had in your head, or would you prefer to keep that private so it doesn’t influence readers’ impressions while reading?
Kelly Sue: Nathan Fillion! C’mon.
C!TB: I’m kicking myself over not immediately thinking of that. I’m really hoping something like that comes up in the series, as a fun meta joke. I can’t remember, but I think you’ve said before (maybe on Word Balloon) that the comic itself will come up in the series. Will it be credited on-air to you and Brian? Will you be involved in anything past the actual making of the comic or will that be it?
Kelly Sue: Not me. I think Brian might have a thing happening, but I’m certain I shouldn’t expound on that.
05. WHEREIN EYES ARE THREATENED, BUT WITH A GOOD REASON
C!TB: With so much being said about DC’s relaunch, its lacking of female creators & other issues of gender and diversity, we’re trying to take positive approach. What can readers do to affect change?
Kelly Sue: I love you dearly. Truly, I do. i like your website, your twitter feed and your sense of humor. I believe that you want to help. I adore you for wanting to be positive.
But if anyone else asks me about being a woman in the comic industry this week I’m going to pop their eyes out with a heroin spoon.
Don’t make me take your eyes, James. They’re beautiful eyes. Let’s leave them right where they belong.
C!TB: Absolutely understood! I’m definitely trying to keep my remaining working eye (long story), so I’ll do my best not to deserve the spoon. I definitely understand not wanting to talk about it more for the time being, so my apologies for not guessing that before I asked.
Kelly Sue: You only have one working eye?! Well now I feel like a heel for threatening the other.
Are you actually blind in one eye? My friend Jane is blind in one eye–she was born with one blue eye and one brown. She’s like a gorgeous version of David Bowie… though, honestly, David Bowie is a gorgeous version of David Bowie, isn’t he?
Anyway. Your eye is safe. In the future I will threaten your thumbs or something.
(Really, I just… it’s complicated, right? Diversity needs to be discussed. But not, right now, by me.)
C!TB: I am actually blind in one eye. Childhood, “mild” hit to the head, partially detached retina, glaucoma, yadda yadda yadda. Long story short, my tennis game is not particularly good for much other than my opponent’s laughs. I didn’t get any of the cool Bowie-ness, sadly.
Kelly Sue: Let’s just pretend you’re Odin. Wait, does that work if you still have the eye?
You might have to cough up the eye.
04. JAMES AND KELLY SUE’S MEALTIME VARIETY HOUR
C!TB: What is your workday like? Do you and Matt both work from home or in the same office?
Kelly Sue: We both work from home but we have separate offices.
I get up with the kids, generally around 6:30/7:00. We hang out until around 9, when the sitter arrives. When Fraction wakes up varies wildly, depending on when he went to bed. Once Beth arrives I, take my coffee and go down to my desk. If it’s a good, orderly week, I have blocks of time chopped out for various projects, if it’s not, I’m in panic mode. I usually start with email and try to set a time limit for myself so I don’t get stuck.
At 5pm, we knock off, send Beth home and play with the kids. I usually make dinner. After dinner, we have some family time (hello, dance party!) then Fraction gives them their baths while I clean the kitchen. Story time, then bed. I go to sleep with the kids, Fraction goes back to work.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
C!TB: What dishes have you been enjoying cooking lately? I’ve recently been dipping my toes into the world of pan-seared meats and homemade ice cream. Last weekend I made a saskatoon berry chutney without a recipe that really surprised me with how good it was.
Kelly Sue: I love you for saying saskatoon.
Let’s see… I made some blueberry frozen yogurt and coconut crumble the other day. That was pretty great. I just a few minutes ago put some chicken breasts in the crock pot with onion, garlic, sweet potatoes, cilantro, ginger, coconut milk and broth. I was just kind of throwing stuff in… no idea if this’ll turn out. We might be ordering pizza–who knows?
(My confidence is waning a bit because I made some marshmallows over the weekend that weren’t very good. And I took them to a party where a couple of teenaged girls tried to hide that they were throwing away the ones they’d bitten. I wanted to chase after them and explain that I’d used the wrong pot and I couldn’t get the sugar to the right temp without it boiling over, consequently they were on too long too low… I came to my senses and decided just to live with the failure.)
C!TB: Don’t feel bad, I wouldn’t even attempt marshmallows; recipes always make them sound so finicky. I’m scared of making/ruining candy in general – I really only make orangettes at Christmastime, since it’s only moderately easy to set my apartment on fire while candying orange peels. Candy making is not for me and I admire you for even trying.
Kelly Sue: Given my recent failure, you’re not going to believe me when I say this, but they’re not that hard.
C!TB: I don’t! Truthfully, I stick to savoury dishes more than sweet ones; I’ll make galettes now and again, or a pavlova with some jam, but roasts, savoury tarts, biscuits and vegetables (I make a mean layered ratatouille) are my wheelhouse. I also made pea pesto for the last time last night, which I am bragging about because I spent too long shucking peas last night to not be at least a little proud of myself.
Kelly Sue: Oh, I hear you. Have you ever made anything with fresh fava beans? They’re awesome, but you have to peel them TWICE.
C!TB: I haven’t, and I don’t mean to point fingers, but you might have ensured I never do. Actually, I’m really looking forward to making that lamb recipe that was in Casanova and posting the process and results as an article on the site when Avaritia comes out, under the CASANOVANAUTS banner.
Kelly Sue: Sweet. Did you submit a letter for the new letters column? You totally should.
C!TB: It’s been sitting open on my home computer for a few days now. It might be a tad unseemly to just write, in all caps, “THANK YOU YOUR COMIC IT HAS BEEN A MASSIVE INFLUENCE ON ME I RECOMMEND IT TO EVERYONE I CAN,” you know? I’ll figure something out.
Kelly Sue: Matt and I used to cook together more. I miss that. We should do that again. With the kids, one of us is on baby duty while the other one is preparing the meal – save for once or twice a year when we make a Timpano. The last two of those have been rushed though.
Wahwah. Look at me with my beautiful happy family and dream job! Don’t you feel sorry for me that we don’t get to cook together like we used to??
05. SHIT GETS SERIOUS, GUYS
C!TB: Some creators have mentioned that having children has had a big effect on their writing, in terms of the projects they take and how they tackle the actual subject matter – like gender and violence. Have you noticed this with yourself?
Kelly Sue: It’s certainly affected what media I consume. I used to love salacious violence–true crime crap. Guilty pleasure. I can’t stomach it anymore. And I get pissed when people use violence against animals or children (or rape) as a lazy writing device. I did it myself once (I killed a dog to show that a villain was Really Bad) and I haaaate myself for it. It’s shit writing and there’s no excuse.
C!TB: I had a similar experience with crime procedural shows. I spent two years working at an inpatient treatment program for convicted sex offenders and, while I learned all sorts of incredible skills and things about my own capabilities, it pretty much took away my ability to enjoy any true crime or crime procedural and absolutely destroyed my ability to stomach any kind of fictionalized sexual violence. I never liked it, but now Law & Order: SVU will send me out of a room faster than anything.
Kelly Sue: Oh… oh my god.
I simultaneously want to pick your brain and beg you to never tell me a single thing. Are you… okay? Jesus.
I kind want to feed you spaghetti now.
C!TB: Don’t worry, I’m okay. It’s definitely an intense work environment and they actually hired me afterwards to design some research on what kind of effects (“vicarious traumatization”) those environments could potentially have, but the combination of tremendous and supportive coworkers, necessary black humour and a long commute home really helped. It was a great experience working there, but a few years of no longer having to hear firsthand descriptions of some of the worst things people can do to one another has definitely been good. But yeah, needless to say, there are a lot of TV shows and movies that have become off-limits for me.
Should you ever have any questions, feel free to ask me; I’ll answer as much as I am legally allowed to divulge. And I’ll always accept spaghetti.
Kelly Sue: Okay.
Can I mail spaghetti?
06. I AM NOT TOO PROUD TO BEG, PEOPLE
C!TB: You’ve said a dream project of yours is a 70s-style revenge western comic done with Emma Rios. First, please make this happen, we want to buy this.
Kelly Sue: Well… okay.
07. WHEREIN C!TB GETS A NEW FAMILY, I AM HOLDING YOU TO THAT, KELLY SUE
C!TB: Finally, a C!TB tradition: Will you adopt us?
Kelly Sue: Yes. But you have to share a room.
C!TB: I call top bunk.
XX. THE PART WHERE YOU BUY THINGS
Wasn’t that great? Talking to Kelly Sue was definitely just about the best thing this site has ever led to me doing, so if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to run around the office pumping my fists in the air for a minute.
While I’m doing that, check out Kelly Sue’s author page at Amazon.ca (Americans, go here ; Europeans? Work for it) and buy everything you can. Just clean them out. Should you want to empty the shelves at a physical store, visit your local comic book shop and remember to ask them to save you a copy of Castle: Richard Castle’s Deadly Storm on September 28th.
This isn’t an option.